View Full Version : Throw em' in jail!


Mother Jones, RN
08-08-2008, 12:18 AM
I was attacked by a patient three months ago, and I finally had my day in court. The guy who tried stabbing me was convicted of second degree assault. He faces 10 years in jail and a $25,000 fine. He will be sentenced in 90 days after he is examined by a court psychiatrist. I'm feeling good about this, but my boss thinks I'm being cruel because I filed charges on a patient. What do you think? Have you ever filed charges on one of your patients?

MJ :pepsi:

Julie
08-08-2008, 03:02 AM
MJ I think you are right to do this. Just because he was the patient and you were the nurse doesn't mean he has the right to try to stab you. If the patient had tried to stab (or worse had stabbed another patient) no doubt your boss would support filing charges, so why should you as a nurse be different?

Well done and lets hope proper justice is done!

Scalpal Sal
08-08-2008, 02:56 PM
MJ I think you are right to do this. Just because he was the patient and you were the nurse doesn't mean he has the right to try to stab you. If the patient had tried to stab (or worse had stabbed another patient) no doubt your boss would support filing charges, so why should you as a nurse be different?

Well done and lets hope proper justice is done!


Totally agree !!:congrats:

P/J
08-08-2008, 10:10 PM
I agree. There is now a big push on the safety of nurses and workplace violence. I have heard of patients being refused beds in hospitals because they have been violent to staff in the past (illegal, but done for the safety of the staff). I think one of the hospitals is actually trying to get legislation through to allow this to legally happen.

Just because you are in a hospital it doesn't allow people the right to abuse you with no repercussions.:idea2:

Mr Ian
08-11-2008, 10:55 AM
Absolutely not - did you not read the part in the Nurses Code that says "and I will lay down my life to anyone who feels like kicking the crap out of me for no good reason" ?

ok.. I made that up. In short - I work in secure-psych and I have (successfully) pressed charges against several patients. I know when it's madness and the person "knows not what they do wrong" - and I know when it's downright evil.


Now for the long version:
Even tho when someone appears mad there are reasons why nurses (or any healthcare worker) should not just take crap - we are citizens with rights to feel safe at home or at work just like anyone else.
A bank teller would have no qualms with seeing an armed bank robber go down for 5 - 10 - yet they are tere to 'serve the customer'; so why should a nurse tolerate such behaviour? We are not there to treat someone with a "knife-wielding bad temper" syndrome - we are there to treat clinically sick people.

The law is there to protect us from harm. If your attacker gets a mental defence (but you say he is convicted as charged so this is irrelevant now) then they should still be taken to task and consequences should apply, even if that means being incarcerated in mental hospital. No one has a right - mentally ill or otherwise - to invoke fear in another person without acceptable reason (eg self defence; saving another).

You are not throwing this person in jail or making him pay you lots of money - nor are you condeming or judging him. That's what the courts do.
You are simply asserting your rights that:
a) you are safe at work
b) if anyone compromises that safety, you will access the powers that serve to protect us all to do something about it.

If they choose to incarcerate, fine, detain in hospital or electrocute them - you are not responsible for that. Those are the laws of the state/land in which we live and the chosen ways in which to contain and control unacceptable behaviour.

A patient not only has a right to treatment - they have a responsibility to act as a patient. Once they give up that responsibility - they also give up that right and (nursing) sanctity of being a patient.

PS: your boss is an ignoramus.

Mother Jones, RN
08-11-2008, 03:52 PM
I want to thank everyone for their support. I've started a draft of my victim statement. I get to address the court before the judge passes sentence on my attacker. I can say what I want for as long as I want when I make my statement. My friends are all coming to court to show their support. Sentencing is on Nov. 17th. I'll keep you posted.

MJ :pepsi:

Mr Ian
08-13-2008, 03:27 AM
I get to address the court before the judge passes sentence on my attacker. I can say what I want for as long as I want

Of course you can - got nothing to do with the courts - it's cos YOU'RE Mother Jones :cheers:

(I'll buy you a pepsi if you mention the forum in your statement - and another if you include a personal quote from me):star:
:pepsi:

Mother Jones, RN
08-13-2008, 06:41 AM
(I'll buy you a pepsi if you mention the forum in your statement - and another if you include a personal quote from me):star:
:pepsi:

Done!


MJ :pepsi:

P/J
08-14-2008, 03:58 AM
(I'll buy you a pepsi if you mention the forum in your statement - and another if you include a personal quote from me)

I can just see it "....But your honor, Mr Ian and all my friends on Nursingvoices.com, say that I have a good case, and I have the right to defend myself..."

Mr Ian
08-15-2008, 07:00 AM
Well if you're looking for good quotes....

"Yer 'onour, it is not me alone that stands before you today as a victim but my entire profession who look to you to preserve our right to work in a harm free environment; to recognise that, alongside our police, fire and armed forces personnel, ours is a position we undertake for the good of our people and those people look to you now to represent how or whether it is right for their nurses to be harmed in the natural course of their duties. A hospital is a haven of peace and compassion, a sanctuary of hope amidst despair; it is the soul and sanctity of the workforce who care for the sick and injured. It is not a freaken boxing ring."

And if you bung that in I'll get me brother to drop his next Pepsi delivery at your door step and 'lose' the receipt.

P/J
11-07-2008, 06:27 AM
Any more news Mother?

Mother Jones, RN
11-07-2008, 07:43 AM
I go back to court in ten days to face my attacker, and to read my victim impact statement to the court. I've been trying to write down the proper words to say but they aren't easy to find. I was not raised to believe in hatred or vengeance, but those are the only thoughts I've been having lately, and they are getting stronger every day. I am in a very uncomfortable place right now and I'll be glad when this whole thing is over with. I'll keep you posted on what happens. Thanks for asking.


MJ

Polaris
11-08-2008, 04:07 PM
Well if you're looking for good quotes....

"Yer 'onour, it is not me alone that stands before you today as a victim but my entire profession who look to you to preserve our right to work in a harm free environment; to recognise that, alongside our police, fire and armed forces personnel, ours is a position we undertake for the good of our people and those people look to you now to represent how or whether it is right for their nurses to be harmed in the natural course of their duties. A hospital is a haven of peace and compassion, a sanctuary of hope amidst despair; it is the soul and sanctity of the workforce who care for the sick and injured. It is not a freaken boxing ring."

And if you bung that in I'll get me brother to drop his next Pepsi delivery at your door step and 'lose' the receipt.


:congrats: Excellent!

MyOwnWoman
11-09-2008, 10:39 AM
Absolutely defend yourself. It's against the law to hurt health care professionals. It's about time we say enough is enough. (Spoken like a true ER Nurse)

JacquiBee
11-17-2008, 07:14 PM
here in new zealand we are a day ahead so today is the day I need to be thinking of you at the sentencing hearing and hoping it's not too traumatic.

mjvarno
12-26-2008, 04:44 AM
GOOD FOR YOU!!! I am a new nurse and I dont understand the mentality that nurses should take physical abuse from patients and never complain. The other night when I was working a PT literally punched a nurse in the face and no one was outraged but me, no rept was filed. It was just let go. I dont get it.

Mr Ian
12-27-2008, 07:09 AM
It is a seriously under-addressed issue.

On one hand we known and understand hospitals can be emotionally charged places and pt's - and relatives - can soemtimes lose sight of their senses. It still doesn't make it right - but we try to empathise still.

Yet still, nurses are on the front line and this does not mean that they have to put up with being the target of abuse - physical or verbal (or sexual).

ALL acts of violence or abuse should be reported and acted upon - even if charges are not pressed - otherwise it becomes no better than sweeping child abuse or spousal abuse or racist abuse under the carpet.

We are there for public service and the public have a responsibility as well as rights.

darkogirlie
01-06-2009, 05:49 PM
It's like a majority of things I've come to realise so far. Were suppose to take it as ''part'' of the job. I'm sorry but no nurse gets paid anywhere near enough for that. We've got a similar case on our ward atm. I look forward to hearing Mother's progress.

Mr Ian
01-10-2009, 01:16 AM
Mother's progress is on her blogsite - I think she married the dude in the end.
Or maybe that was another blog?