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Old 02-04-2008, 04:11 PM
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Over here we have had Amy Winehouse self destructing. I hate the way other peoples obvious mental illness becomes other peoples Magazine story!
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Sorry if I have offended everyone , but I think we are all getting to the same point: Her current troubles should not be in the headlines other than to show that anyone can develop bipolar.

Re-reading the comment about 'looking after the child' it sounds wrong now, but this is not postpartum depression, she has lost the plot. Why has it taken a ?year? for this all to be diagnosed, she is in the media's eye there can't be much of a lack of evidence, could it be that it was thought to be postpartum depression but was ruled out.
According to the DSM-IV-TR Postpartum depression has the following characteristics:
* Sleep- insomnia or hypersomnia Can we really tell?
* Interest- loss of interest or pleasure She seems to be having plenty of pleasure for a long time (until she lost custody and got into drugs
* Guilt- feelings of worthlessness ??
* Energy- fatigue Plenty of this
* Concentration- diminished ability to think or make decisions She is making decissions but just not the right ones
* Appetite- eating too much or too little A celebrty eat? I'm sure I've seen pictures....so no loss
* Psychomotor- generalized slowing of movements Dancing at parties
* Suicidality- preoccupation with death or hopelessness Yes, from the last I heard


"Really, those kids are lucky that they have had other caregivers available while their mom has been going through all of this."
But who is caring for them!! They are under the care of K-Fed but who is really doing the caring (I don't know much about him other than he is a rapper, is there a nanny or something?) as the media are saying that he is a party person just like Briteny.

I am not saying that she doesn't have Postpartum depression (I'm getting better at spelling postpartum because of this post ) But I think that there is more to it, we seem to be hearing a lot about it in the past few months, so I think it is more likely to be a drug induced psychosis leading to long term psychosis.
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Over here we have had Amy Winehouse self destructing. I hate the way other peoples obvious mental illness becomes other peoples Magazine story!
Thats what you get for singing about it though. ".....want to go to rehab, and I said a NO, NO, NO"
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Sorry if I have offended everyone , but I think we are all getting to the same point: Her current troubles should not be in the headlines other than to show that anyone can develop bipolar.

Re-reading the comment about 'looking after the child' it sounds wrong now, but this is not postpartum depression, she has lost the plot. Why has it taken a ?year? for this all to be diagnosed, she is in the media's eye there can't be much of a lack of evidence, could it be that it was thought to be postpartum depression but was ruled out.
No offense taken. I think I know what you meant, but it came out wrong

From what I can see, this last year has been building up to something with her. The fact that once Britney's head shaving was in last week's magazine, nobody thought anything else of it. Let her hit rock bottom if it will sell magazines. I wonder if she has anybody in her life who isn't interested in getting something from her... who isn't using her for money, publicity, fame... Who might possibly care for her as a person, and not for a pay check.
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Re-reading the comment about 'looking after the child' it sounds wrong now, but this is not postpartum depression, she has lost the plot. Why has it taken a ?year? for this all to be diagnosed,
It can take up to a year for postpartum depression to manifest itself.

Her downward spiral has been going on for awhile now.

Postpartum depression, when not treated, can progress to postpartum psychosis. I'm sure you've heard stories about that sort of thing.
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I have to say that her behaviour after the birth of baby number 1 was bizarre so who is to say she didn't have postpartum depression then? On top of which she gets pregnant again and her marriage falls apart.

P/J - a patient once accused me of being flippant about her disease (rheumatoid arthritis). This caused me to carefully reflect on some of the things I said to others. Your comments, while partly true and demonstrating some reflectivity are also just a little flippant.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:10 AM
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From Wikipedia:
At age eight she auditioned for the Disney Channel series The New Mickey Mouse Club. Although she was considered too young to join the series at the time, a producer on the show introduced her to a New York City agent.
As a brit (British, not Britney fan) I recall the issues of one Mr George Best who in the 1970's was an extremely talented football player - aka "soccer" to those who may call me limey or pomme! He simply could not handle the unprecedented fame that came with being one of the UK's first sporting superstars and eventually turned to alcohol. Of course, his alcoholic exploits then became his behaviour of interest to the media and so the cycle continued.

Britney's collapse was more or less pre-ordained from the time she set foot onto the Disney Channel. After that, she became a victim of fame and fortune seeking, propelled into it by those who were charged with her care until such time as she could determine for herself; by which time it was all too late.
As a working 8 year old her life has been far from normal and probably hasn't allowed for her to develop the fundamental coping strategies and certainly won't have given her much opportunity to 'find herself' amidst the images and opinions of the millions of others who are more than prepared to cast their ill-considered assumptive opinions about.
The fact she is a celebrity is not something that should be held against her; we envy celebrities for their rich & famous lifestyle; we analyse their every move via media; we denounce them for their life decisions if we don't agree with them; and then when they fall we push them aside with a portion of "spoilt brat" thrown on top. Yet, it is we the public that financially support this status by purchasing the things that make them rich - so they must be doing something good for the general population?

Some, many, celebrities cope ok with being a celebrity. When you start with such great exposure at a young age (and your chabnce for a 'normal life' is taken from you, your chances of survival are severeley compromised. Just ask Michael Jackson.

Ok, so Justin Timberlake did the same thing as Britters and he survives. Well he hasn't really fallen foul of himself yet, tho he has achieved media bad-boy status on a few occasions.

So why do some people succeed at fame and others don't?

Not wanting to become part of the "Who killed Bambi" brigade and intimately analyse every last particle of her not-at-all private life, I will merely hint towards the Wiki article some more between 2004 - 2007 (or 22yrs old - 24yrs old) Britters marries, gives birth, divorces, undergoes legal (and frequently publically reported) custody battles, during which one of her closest relatives and supports dies from ovarian cancer. I would suggest "life" happened - and on a backdrop of the added pressures and media attentions of being a 'celebrity', nothing the media has done has helped her so far.

Elvis Presley may well have had something to say on the issue if he were alive today (or if he weren't hiding out working at a gas station in Mexico).

Altho there is obviously and quite seriously something not right in Ms Spears life right now, I doubt you can pin it down to one 'mental illness' diagnosis or that it was caused by one specific or recent event alone. This current state has been quietly rolling itself out since the adult now in crisis was but a mere baby. Other 'natural' life events have propelled her into a state of terror and stress and the cracks are becoming chasms.

So, if you want to know what happened to Britney - I guess there's an argument to say that we, society, are what happened - and Mickey Mouse was the trigger man.
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P/J - a patient once accused me of being flippant about her disease (rheumatoid arthritis). This caused me to carefully reflect on some of the things I said to others. Your comments, while partly true and demonstrating some reflectivity are also just a little flippant.
I appreciate that my remarks were on the flippant side, and hence I appologise if I have caused offense to anyone out there. (the turtle of apology)


As a result I will put this question forward very carefully.
Postpartum depression is it becoming the new ADD and ADHD?

The reason for this is it has been found that children have been diagnosed with AD(H)D when it was other issues such as thyroidism and it has turned into the 'trendy' diagnosis, or the solution to all problems. My sister in law was said to be postpartum. She ended up getting in touch with a mother-care nurse who found that all my sister-in-laws issues were due to the hospital and other nurses literary forcing her to nurse and breast feed etc in certain ways, causing more stress on her marriage and life (until mother-care stepped in and helped).

(please, please be kind. This is a legitament question. And I fully acknowledge that there are many cases of ligament ADD and Postpartum (5% according to stats) cases out there.)
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No problem and that is why there are specific assessment tools out there for diagnosing postnatal / postpartum depression. Over here in the UK midwives and then Health Visitors have a major role in identifying someone who is finding motherhood just a little difficult from someone who is devleoping psychosis or some other more serious symptom.

The more publicity there is however then as you say more likely that people will jump on the band waggon. If you have had it (or know some one who has had it) then you definitely see the difference.
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