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Mother Jones, RN 08-08-2008 12:18 AM

Throw em' in jail!
 
I was attacked by a patient three months ago, and I finally had my day in court. The guy who tried stabbing me was convicted of second degree assault. He faces 10 years in jail and a $25,000 fine. He will be sentenced in 90 days after he is examined by a court psychiatrist. I'm feeling good about this, but my boss thinks I'm being cruel because I filed charges on a patient. What do you think? Have you ever filed charges on one of your patients?

MJ :pepsi:

Julie 08-08-2008 03:02 AM

MJ I think you are right to do this. Just because he was the patient and you were the nurse doesn't mean he has the right to try to stab you. If the patient had tried to stab (or worse had stabbed another patient) no doubt your boss would support filing charges, so why should you as a nurse be different?

Well done and lets hope proper justice is done!

Scalpal Sal 08-08-2008 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie (Post 4708)
MJ I think you are right to do this. Just because he was the patient and you were the nurse doesn't mean he has the right to try to stab you. If the patient had tried to stab (or worse had stabbed another patient) no doubt your boss would support filing charges, so why should you as a nurse be different?

Well done and lets hope proper justice is done!


Totally agree !!:congrats:

P/J 08-08-2008 10:10 PM

I agree. There is now a big push on the safety of nurses and workplace violence. I have heard of patients being refused beds in hospitals because they have been violent to staff in the past (illegal, but done for the safety of the staff). I think one of the hospitals is actually trying to get legislation through to allow this to legally happen.

Just because you are in a hospital it doesn't allow people the right to abuse you with no repercussions.:idea2:

Mr Ian 08-11-2008 10:55 AM

Absolutely not - did you not read the part in the Nurses Code that says "and I will lay down my life to anyone who feels like kicking the crap out of me for no good reason" ?

ok.. I made that up. In short - I work in secure-psych and I have (successfully) pressed charges against several patients. I know when it's madness and the person "knows not what they do wrong" - and I know when it's downright evil.


Now for the long version:
Even tho when someone appears mad there are reasons why nurses (or any healthcare worker) should not just take crap - we are citizens with rights to feel safe at home or at work just like anyone else.
A bank teller would have no qualms with seeing an armed bank robber go down for 5 - 10 - yet they are tere to 'serve the customer'; so why should a nurse tolerate such behaviour? We are not there to treat someone with a "knife-wielding bad temper" syndrome - we are there to treat clinically sick people.

The law is there to protect us from harm. If your attacker gets a mental defence (but you say he is convicted as charged so this is irrelevant now) then they should still be taken to task and consequences should apply, even if that means being incarcerated in mental hospital. No one has a right - mentally ill or otherwise - to invoke fear in another person without acceptable reason (eg self defence; saving another).

You are not throwing this person in jail or making him pay you lots of money - nor are you condeming or judging him. That's what the courts do.
You are simply asserting your rights that:
a) you are safe at work
b) if anyone compromises that safety, you will access the powers that serve to protect us all to do something about it.

If they choose to incarcerate, fine, detain in hospital or electrocute them - you are not responsible for that. Those are the laws of the state/land in which we live and the chosen ways in which to contain and control unacceptable behaviour.

A patient not only has a right to treatment - they have a responsibility to act as a patient. Once they give up that responsibility - they also give up that right and (nursing) sanctity of being a patient.

PS: your boss is an ignoramus.

Mother Jones, RN 08-11-2008 03:52 PM

I want to thank everyone for their support. I've started a draft of my victim statement. I get to address the court before the judge passes sentence on my attacker. I can say what I want for as long as I want when I make my statement. My friends are all coming to court to show their support. Sentencing is on Nov. 17th. I'll keep you posted.

MJ :pepsi:

Mr Ian 08-13-2008 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother Jones, RN (Post 4727)
I get to address the court before the judge passes sentence on my attacker. I can say what I want for as long as I want

Of course you can - got nothing to do with the courts - it's cos YOU'RE Mother Jones :cheers:

(I'll buy you a pepsi if you mention the forum in your statement - and another if you include a personal quote from me):star:
:pepsi:

Mother Jones, RN 08-13-2008 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Ian (Post 4736)
(I'll buy you a pepsi if you mention the forum in your statement - and another if you include a personal quote from me):star:
:pepsi:

Done!


MJ :pepsi:

P/J 08-14-2008 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Ian (Post 4736)
(I'll buy you a pepsi if you mention the forum in your statement - and another if you include a personal quote from me)

I can just see it "....But your honor, Mr Ian and all my friends on Nursingvoices.com, say that I have a good case, and I have the right to defend myself..."

Mr Ian 08-15-2008 07:00 AM

Well if you're looking for good quotes....

"Yer 'onour, it is not me alone that stands before you today as a victim but my entire profession who look to you to preserve our right to work in a harm free environment; to recognise that, alongside our police, fire and armed forces personnel, ours is a position we undertake for the good of our people and those people look to you now to represent how or whether it is right for their nurses to be harmed in the natural course of their duties. A hospital is a haven of peace and compassion, a sanctuary of hope amidst despair; it is the soul and sanctity of the workforce who care for the sick and injured. It is not a freaken boxing ring."

And if you bung that in I'll get me brother to drop his next Pepsi delivery at your door step and 'lose' the receipt.


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