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Old 11-24-2008, 04:06 PM
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Pal, man... you do have issues. no one's trying to take away from the fact that you enlisted and served your country. yes, what you did was brave, and i'm sure you sacrificed a lot. i've had family in the military, so i know that no matter what, enlisting means sacrifice.

that being said, look at how you react to everything. you don't like the fact that you weren't doing great in your RN courses, so you use racist slurs to insult the instructors who are only doing their job; to ensure that they produce nurses who are going to be able to do the job. you have no right to say that crap about them because you failed to do your part. study harder and try again.

secondly, you claim that we're all inferior cowards, and that you're a much better man than any of us sissies. no offense, but with that kind of attitude, you probably shouldn't be trying to get into nursing. you need to drop that kind of "holier than thou" attitude. there aren't a whole lot of careers that are going to take kindly to someone who's so quick to verbally abuse everyone.

just my two cents. don't take this like i'm trying to antagonize you, i'm just trying to show you that you're being incredibly insulting.

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Old 11-24-2008, 08:23 PM
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First of I am not incredibly insulting. I cannot tolerate people that are nuisance to me. I am a dog that bites not barks

Second of all, I know how to take care of myself and I don't need Julie's moral teaching because I am a better HUMAN than her.

I AM A CITIZEN OFFICER SOLDIER OF THE US ARMY.

On the other hand, I am incredibly insulted when you say that I am "holier than thou" I consider YOUR attitude as a blasphemy. Your blasphemy attitude is DEMONIC. Your soul is as naked and shameless like the DEVIL. You will never receive redemption.
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:12 PM
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First of I am not incredibly insulting. I cannot tolerate people that are nuisance to me.

Second of all, I know how to take care of myself and I don't need Julie's moral teaching because I am a better HUMAN than her.

On the other hand, I am incredibly insulted when you say that I am "holier than thou" Your blasphemy attitude is DEMONIC. Your soul is as naked and shameless like the DEVIL.
please tell me how calling people racist names and calling us cowards isn't insulting. then explain to me how being insulting the way you have makes you a better human than julie, who has done nothing but attempt to be helpful. you DO have a holier than thou attitude given that you compare yourself to the rest of us and have the nerve to call yourself a better human. please explain how i am demonic and shameless like the devil. i haven't insulted anyone. i came here to seek help from people who work in the field, whom i give a lot of respect to.

i'm amazed that you've spent time in the military but have yet to learn respect. you really ought to rethink your decision to get into health care. if you "can't tolerate people who are a nuisance" to you, then why would you get into nursing? do you think your patients are going to put on song and dance numbers for you? no, they're going to be in pain and they're going to need you to care for them. a lot of the times, their needs might grate on your nerves. are you going to call THEM racist crap and tell them that you're a better human than them?
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:10 AM
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"I did not insult anyone." is immediately followed with "WHY CAN'T your THICK PUBIC-haired skull get it RIGHT."

that's an insult. and you may not have MEANT for it to be racist, but you used the infamous n-word. it doesn't matter what context you use that word in, it's racist. no one's jumping to conclusions, the conclusion is plain as day: you used a word, and the word is racist. you don't want to be labeled as such, don't use the word. simple as that.

i don't know where you got the idea that i thought your time in the army was a vacation. if i remember right, i commended you for doing your duty and said that i realized you had to make sacrifices. no one thinks the army is a damn vacation.

i'm not trying to jump on anyone's bad side, i'm trying to get you to realize how what you say appears to everyone else. do not call me an idiot, because i'm not.
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:32 AM
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Angry Hey blankenstein

I have already apologized for what you thought was RACIST is simply a misunderstanding.

YOU NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR MIND to read the context of the literature and understand my TRUE intentions. Your RACIALLY PERVERTED BRAINS are jumping into all types of CONCLUSION like a WILD UNTAMED DUMB HORSE.

You only learn to take away respect not give it in the MILITARY. Why do you bring up my UGLY side? You know I got plenty of it and there is plenty more that will be coming your way. You are the kind of NURSE that likes to jump on people's bad side and enjoy. Needless to say, you will definately raise the blood pressure and annoy all your patients.

I love nursing and I fully understand the needs of the patients. Just imagine, if you had a bowel movement emergency in a public place and I stood guard while you crouch w/ a newspaper by the sidewalk and relief yourself, thanking me later. Basically I acted as your advocate, providing you privacy, dignity, empathizing to your bodily needs, just like a nurse.
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Stop the insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This conversation is getting out of hand. Everyone step back and take a time out before someone says something that they later regret.

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Old 11-25-2008, 12:39 AM
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Cool God help us...

Thank God there is someone with a sense of maturity. I was beginning to worry.
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Thank you PAL for that.

I intervened after your posts were reported by others. none of us are actually better than others. I am not, never have been and never will be a soldier in the US Army. But that doesn't make me a bad person. I am British, I am a wife and mother and I have been a nurse for 30 years.

As mother jones says lets draw a line, but please no personal insults.
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:15 PM
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hello everyone. obviously, i'm new here.

i just wanted to get some feedback as to what the best route would be to become a nurse, thanks in advance for reading this long freakin' post and i appreciate any help you're all willing to give!
Back to the topic at hand. My experience was of years of nurse aide work prior to doing a BN. I didn't have the option of working up to being a BN via a diploma or second level nurse. In my earlier post I suggested that working might be useful but you could do that out of term time as a holiday job for example while going straight for a degree programme. You wont have an issue with finding your feet in University level study, which some of us have had (it took getting a diploma in something else first to get the confidence)as you already know you can do that.Best of luck with your planning.
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.... My experience was of years of nurse aide work prior to doing a BN......I didn't have the option of working up to being a BN via a diploma or second level nurse.
Just from another stance (and because is forum is also international). The equivalent to nurse's aid in Australia is probably PSA/PCA where you have patient contact especially in nursing homes, however if you go into hospitals it is more of a ward support role, where you are cleaning (beds, bathrooms), and running samples and general dogs-body. It will allow you to see the hospital, but it won't give you many patient experiences.

The next step up is a Div 2 Nurse (Div2 RN/ EN/ LPN/ etc). This takes about a year of full time study. And as previously stated in other posts on this topic, your scope of practice is limited to care of stable patients in hospitals and nursing homes, with additional qualifications you can administer medication (in accordance with hospital procedure). Some hospitals have a lot of EN/Div2 nurses, others use them to fill gaps in staffing RNs. Have come across a lot of nurses who are at this stage and are unable to move onto becoming an RN as the RN programs are just too hard after being in a role for years. And to convert to an RN it is two years of study.

Back on the points by JacquiBee, I did have the option to become a Div2/diploma level first, but I thought that if it was going to take a year for that then another 2 for the RN level I was better off going for RN and doing it in 2 years with an accelerated course. Our nursing regulations also allow us to register as a Div2/EN after the equivalent of two years of nursing studies, so I was a Div2 by one year and an RN by two.

Pal (I think it was him, if not sorry!) raised that he was advised by his school not to try and work while studying. We also received the same advice and many of us followed it. However as time went by (and money got tight) I started working on weekends, and of course during holidays, as a nurse. This working as well as extensive clinical practice has given me grater insight into nursing which I couldn't have got with clinicals alone. However I was at nursing school to get my degree and I made sure that this came first (so homework before work).
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