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Old 07-25-2007, 07:53 PM
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hi all--

check out this web site and read the various (excellent) articles on single-payer health care.

Progressives For Pennsylvania is a group i belong to where we relentlessly tackle grassroots issues, such as health care reform,
environmental concerns, impeachment (a waste of valuable energy, in my opinion), and who to support in the upcoming presidental race.

Check it out.
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:25 AM
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Hi Kate!

I've been meaning to tell you I love your pic - it's nice seeing a face with the name!

You know, there was a HUGE push for SICKO here in CA and my initial plan was to see it when it first came out so that I could be in on the debate it was sure to bring on.

It sort of fizzled! I have hardly read anything on it, and I haven't even seen it yet, although I plan to.

Not sure what happened. Was it so off the wall it said nothing, or was it so on target that everyone already was on board with what it had to say?

Still plan to see it, either way.
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:41 PM
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It's sad. I think I would actually go see the film if Michael Moore had nothing to do with it. I can't stand the man.

My view is if you can't stand something about our Government, quit whining and do something about it.That means Lobby congress, write letters, start a charitible organization. Making a one-sided movie about how our Government sucks doesn't count. And that applies to all Moore's movies. In fact, I would have a lot more respect if 100% of the proceeds from that film went to people in the US needing Healthcare.

As far as our HCS goes, I agree, It is flawed. But we really do need to take responsibility for ourselves. There's too many people in the US who will pay 300-500 a month on Entertainment, Cable or satellite, nights out at the bars, DVR, but won't use that money for their own healthcare.

I worked at the City Hospital and witnessed everyday, the homelesss getting better healthcare then my mother or sister (who are both uninsured by the way). When the homeless people got better and our social workers gave them a plethera of resources, instead of wanting to go to the shelters or halfway homes, they CHOSE to walk out to the streets.
You can lead a horse to water....but can't make it drink.

I'll get more personal. This month, since I switched jobs I have no insurance for the month of Sept. Wouldn't you know it, my daughter had pink eye 2 days ago and had to go to the doctor. I did what I had to do and paid out of pocket...for the visit and the antibiotics.

That means no going out to dinner or movies for the next month for us but Ari's health takes precedence over that stuff.

Just my opinion
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:09 AM
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hi all--

check out this web site and read the various (excellent) articles on single-payer health care.

Progressives For Pennsylvania is a group i belong to where we relentlessly tackle grassroots issues, such as health care reform,
environmental concerns, impeachment (a waste of valuable energy, in my opinion), and who to support in the upcoming presidental race.

Check it out.
I don't get much into politics, but CNA has partnered with Physicians for a National Health Plan (http://pnhp.org/) and it really is the one plan I can totally be on board with.

It includes a tax - the same tax across the board for all incomes, with employers also paying a tax for each employee. But...it isn't run by the government, it is run by local boards and you are free to see who you want, when you want.

Nursing salaries are a huge part of the hospital budgets and all raises or contracts are unaffected (I asked!)

I never thought I'd find a proposal I could get behind, but I did! So now I'll have a Pepsi!

Any excuse for that emoticon!
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Old 09-16-2007, 04:01 AM
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Kim,

I just read most of that site and actually, I think it sounds like a good deal!

It would probably be chaotic and screwy at first but once it lifts off it could be a really good thing for this country.

Let me add to what I said about taking responsibility. Helping congress pass that bill would be taking responsibility for ourselves and those less fortunate.

I wrote a letter to my Rep
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:49 AM
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I haven't seen it. I don't really care for Moore's style. It seems like the hype has really died down surrounding the issue of universal healthcare but hopefully it will stay around as a topic for debate as the presidential election draws closer.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:39 AM
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Hello all--

I haven't posted for awhile but now intend to write more regularly.

DFA (Democracy For America) held Sicko parties all across America one week ago tomorrow!!

Boy was that fun!!

My local political activist group, called P4P (Progressives 4 Pennsylvania) sponsored the DFA viewing.

Labor union representatives, old home town liberals, and several people whom I never met--about 25 of us--were in attendance.

P4P is dedicated to bringing Pennsylvania's Single Payer Health care bill to fruition--(HB 1660). Gov Rendell is on the record as saying he would sign such a bill.

Michael Moore shows up in Sicko long after the film starts--for those of you who dislike him--and he plays Devil's Advocate through out--definitely Moore's best films to date--my third time seeing it.

So we as a group--P4P--plan to create workshops and present educational sessions about HB 1660 to Seniors, Labor Union people, and then anyone else who is interested.

This political year will be very exciting. Sicko has added to the excitement.

Health Care is in crisis. So from this standpoint, Now is the time to get involved!!!!!

Fasten your seatbelts!!! LOLOL
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Old 11-23-2007, 05:24 AM
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It's the ultimate price of capitalism - the have's and the have nots.

I'm not against free enterprise, or private health care and I even admire the American Dream (tho someone has to lose for your gain). Neither am I a total socialist. However, in this day when we scream and stomp over the inequalities that happen in underprivileged areas and then rally in the troops to go sort them out (another Moore topic), why is it so hard to look to your own neighbour and say "hey mate, here's my contribution to the next generation".

John Q was an awesome movie. Who can't be moved by the idea that a child could die, not because there isn't a cure but because the 'cost' of treatment isn't covered? That is a ruthless, inhumane and immoral way to exist.

In the UK there has been private and 'free' health care available for some time. Everyone contributes to the free health care service. Those who can afford it take up private health care too. (A lot of politicians actually say they do this to ease the pressure on the NHS - I love spin). Quite frankly, I don't care what 'other' system we have as long as there's a free health care service available for the whole population.

All in all - the NHS is one of the last testaments of a time where people cared for each other. Remember, it came about in the era of World War II and that event in itself bolstered the solidarity between people of all ages, religion, races and colours for the UK.

The rhetoric we hear time and time again about world peace, ending poverty, crisis aid and feed the world is absolute meaningless kak when we can't 'spare a dime' for the ailing man next door.

I'm happy to pay my taxes to pay for free health care - and I really don't care if it goes to someone else. We share the same planet.

Not seen the film. Have seen the reality.
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Old 11-25-2007, 07:26 AM
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To say that you will not see the film because you don't like Mike Moore is stupid. You are not being ask to agree with him but don't you think you might learn/understand/see another side, by going to see the movie, if you walk out saying you disagree the most you have lost is an hour and $7, if you agree then the most you have lost is an hour and $7 too, but you have learned something either way (and it was good down time).

I have always been used to the fact that if I was sick all I had to do was ring a doctor's sugary and make an appointment or just turn up, this could be any doctor anywhere. It would be free to me (A$25 to non-residents). If I was hit by a car and had to go to hospital it is free, I am covered for ambulance treatment for A$60 a year, no matter where I go in Australia (this includes being air lifted off a mountain) and I can be taken to the closest hospital no matter who runs it.

I can't believe that people have to ring a company before getting transported to a hospital because they might not be covered for the ambulance and the hospital visit.

Its time to get informed.
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