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My husband wants to see this movie, but I've only read about how one-sided it is.

Have you seen it? I think it's been out on YouTube (?) and might be coming out in theaters today?

What did you think?
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My husband and I are going to try and see Sicko this weekend. Then I'm going to try to talk him into buying me an iPhone so I can read Nursing Voices while I'm at work.


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It is an amazing movie that everyone should see. I am shocked that ANY nurse out there is against the beliefs in this movie.

But, I'm not American, so I guess I don't understand where American nurses are coming from. To Canadians, socialized medicine seems like a no-brainer *shrug*

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Well Sean, what about all the horrible things we hear about people having to wait weeks for hip replacements and months for open heart surgery?

Do you read Dr. Crippen's blog? Almost every day he has another example of why the NHS sucks.

I've read articles written by people who were diagnosed with rare conditions and were unable to get the only treatment they could because it was too expensive for the NHS.

What's so great about socialized medicine? That it's "free?" No, not quite. Sure, you don't have to pay a co-pay at the door or at the pharmacy, but your taxes end up paying for it.

Not trying to be argumentative (ok, maybe a little ) but I would truly love to be convinced and since it's a "no-brainer" to ya'll Canadians, please enlighten me!!
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I think like any system 'social medicine' has its good and bad points. Yes you will find the examples of people waiting too long for treatment, for people being denied free, but expensive treatments. But at the same time, what you don't hear is that almost no one waits months for a hip replacement now, that by next December no one should wait more than 18 weeks for definitive treatment for any condition and that there are people out there receiving very expensive treatments at no cost to themselves. It is right in this kind of system that questions are asked about the validity, effectiveness and yes cost of something which ultimately will take money from other people.

Having said anything I don't know anything about htis particular movie!
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Well Sean, what about all the horrible things we hear about people having to wait weeks for hip replacements and months for open heart surgery?!
I won't deny that there are some negatives. Wait times are a big issue here, but these are mainly for non-urgent procedures. I feel that the good of our system far outweighs the bad. Like anything, you hear the horror stories, rather than the typical. Bottom line is, if you're in trouble, you get care, stat! No questions asked. And nobody has to worry about being able to afford it.

And yes, the fact that it is free is what is so great about it.

Edit: Sorry, I missed the point that it is never free due to paing it all in taxes. It just takes a different belief system. We all pay a little more in taxes so that everyone can have equal health care. Afterall, we will all require it someday, and I'd rather have the peace of mind that it will be there for me. Plus, the amount we pay in taxes for health care is FAR less than equivelent medical insurance. And as Michael Moore shows, having insurance doesn't guarantee you will get health care. I know that won't be an issue here. Again, peace of mind.

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I just got home from watching "Sicko" in the theatre. I think that every person in the USA should have to watch it just as an "fyi" kind of thing. I know some of the things mentioned in the movie are truths....truths I know from a personal perspective. I have to maul this movie around in my head a little more before I write on it. I'm sure in the next few days I will post some words of wisdom about National Health Care on my blog (if any of you read my blog). I just have to figure out how much of what Michael Moore presented that I actually believe.

I'm just babbling....and I so hate it when I babble.
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Thanks, Sean, for your take on it. It's nice reading another perspective.

I guess I'll have to go see it before I comment further!
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Here's my review of Sicko, but first, I must post this a disclaimer: I am a card carrying, tree-hugging liberal who hates all politicians who are in back pocket of Haliburton and HMOs. It’s not my intent to offend anyone, but I’m sure that I’ll offend people who think that Fox News is a refreshing source of fair and balanced information.

Sicko, Michael Moore’s movie about our failing health care system, is a standup and cheer movie for anyone who has been screwed over by his or her health insurance company, meaning that millions of people are going to really love this movie. Moore accurately portrayals the HMOs as a bunch of crooked, bloodthirsty companies that would rather see patients die before paying out expensive claims. Nurses see this kind of stuff everyday, and it sickens us.

Moore talks about socialized medicine. Many people point out that patients must wait for medical procedures that they need under a socialized medical system. Maybe that’s true for non-emergent cases, but unlike our system, at least patients eventually get the care that they need while needy Americans ultimately are denied care by their insurance companies. There is an old saying that goes “figures don’t lie but liars figure,” and insurance company executives are the most over paid bunch of liars and thieves on the planet. HMOs hire people who look for ways to deny claims and to screw patients over. That’s how HMOs can afford to pay their CEOs those huge yearly paychecks. There is no perfect system, but I have problem with a system that protects greedy insurance companies while inviting patients to rollover and literally die. I encourage everyone to see this movie.

That is all.
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Very well said Mother Jones, I couldn't have said it better myself.

If we want to be realistic about things, we in America have to wait for medical services as well as they do in other countries that offer NHS. How long have any of you waited to get into see a dermatologst, or an endocrinologist...or even your own PCP?

We all wait, from what I can see, and I may not know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about NHS, at least the NHS eventually gives health care. We get letters stamped with names from some CEO who has never physically seen me with the word "DENIED" stamped on it.

I guess it's a supply and demand issue. We supply the money, they might think about supplying the service.
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